Episode 10: Sunday August 23
On the next LIVE show, Dr. Sam Jejurikar, Dr. Salvatore Pacella, and Dr. Sam Rhee cover the TOP 10 Fake Plastic Surgeons in TV and movies! Who is your favorite Fake Plastic Surgeon? Do not miss!
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S01 E10 - 3 Plastic Surgeons & a Microphone - Top 10 Fake Plastic Surgeons FINAL
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:00:00] Well welcome everyone to the tenth showing of Three Plastic Surgeons and a Microphone. I can't believe we've already made it this far. And looking forward to all the shows to come, want to introduce my compatriots, Dr. Sam Rhee, Paramus, New Jersey. Did I say it wrong Paramus, New Jersey.
I was explaining to these guys, so I have a newfound lisp, but we'll talk about that later.
Dr. Sal Pacella, whose @sandiegoplasticsurgeon and Dr. Rhee's Instagram handle is @bergencosmetic, and I'm @samjejurikar of Dallas Texas. Before we get into the meat of the program, I want to remind everyone that this show is not a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment.
This show is for informational purposes, only treatment and results may vary based upon the circumstances, situation and medical judgment after appropriate discussion, always seek the advice of your surgeon or any other qualified health provider. With any questions you may have regarding medical care and never disregard professional medical advice or delay seeking advice because of something you heard on the show.
And with that, I think I'm going to turn it over to Dr. Rhee, Dr. Rhee has planned a very exciting show for us today. we thought rather than talking about blood and guts, like we always do today, we would talk about some of the popular notion that shaped plastic surgery, which is rather plastic surgery within the media and fictional plastic surgeons that are formed all of our impressions of that.
So, Dr. Rhee's going to present to us the top 10 plastic surgeons in the media.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:01:29] Yes. Thanks. Thanks Sam. Good morning Sal. all right, so this in advance, just some warning. There's some graphic talk and, language and some sexual sequences in some of these clips that we will be showing. So this is strictly for entertainment value.
This has no real value in terms of medicine, other than, you know, maybe some of the commentary we might make about what we seen in the media and, and how that might, apply or not apply at all to real life. So this is, I'm pretty excited about it. Thanks Sam. It's about top 10 fake plastic surgeons.
These are top 10 fleet, fake plastic surgeons in TV or movies. And they're not in, they're in sort of rough order, I think in terms of what sort of influence they may or may not have had in. in culture and as Sam and Sal know, you know, plastic surgeons, have a rep, we have a rep in medicine and outside of medicine, some of it is warranted and some of it's not.
And a lot of it's shaped by the media. So let's just get right into it and start talking about some of these, Famous or infamous plastic surgeons in TV or movies. The first one is Dr. Robert Caldwell. This was a very young, Mark Harmon back in 1983, 19 to 1986. And, this was where plastic surgeon, Bobby Caldwell arrived at st.
Allegiance, which is the hospital of st. Elsewhere. And, at the beginning of around season two, was revealed he had an ongoing affair with an administrator and, became pretty promiscuous in the, in the show and had a lot of flings and one night stands and we were just talking about it about, what he did, like what tragic ending his character had.
do you guys want to comment on that at all? Or wait, let me, let's go to the clip first and then we can come back and talk to it. Alright.
Media: [00:03:23] Fun. They decided, but I want my new nose to look like. That's the sort of bump I want to put in it. No, usually people want bumps taken out. Should do is wait for dr. Weinberg to get back from Caneel Bay.
Now I'm not going to wait. No, it's obvious to me that getting a suntan is more important to him than doing my nose.
I want the swelling to be down before my son's graduation from Valley forge military Academy. He's my only child. I wouldn't look right. You know, for the commencement. You understand? You can understand that. Can't you sure we're on a schedule for tomorrow? Oh, thanks so much. Thank you.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:04:13] That's a big needle.
Media: [00:04:26] Mind if I ask a question? I mean, I don't want to seem like adult or anything, but doesn't she have like the perfect notice already deviated 25 degrees to the right. Well, big deal. Who's going to be looking inside her nose, please. Don't start Victor. Talk about a Hooter. What's her name? Marcy pen over there was a nose. So big. She could comment.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:04:48] This is before they had HIPAA.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:04:51] I really don't
Media: [00:04:52] want to throw you out of the, or again fine. I'm done.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:04:56] Periosteal elevator.
Media: [00:04:58] Oh,
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:04:59] you're not going to start with a knife.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:05:00] Exactly.
Media: [00:05:04] Elevation with septal cartilage. You had the Meyer. There was the notes.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:05:09] Talk about HIPAA violation,
Media: [00:05:12] dries out,
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:05:15] beat it.
Media: [00:05:18] I'll just, I'll go outside and I'll be out there a minute. Then I'll be done. Okay, nice.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:05:27] No, it's interesting. It's the most realistic thing. And that entire clip was the patient. I have to have my swelling done in two weeks before.
My son's graduation. So, and elsewhere, I was just in an iconic show. This was one of the first shows that I watched as I think, as a kid.
and it was the first realistic, portrayal of medicine, I think out there, I mean, it was just fantastic. I loved this character. He was a great, you know, just a great story behind him. He was smooth, slick, confident, and then came to a tragic Shakespearian demise.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:06:09] Yes. I agree this, Was one of my favorite shows and probably had some role in me going into medicine.
So ironically, I didn't like this character, dr. Mark Craig played by William Daniels, who was a cardiac surgeon on their show was kind of the reason why I wanted to be a surgeon when I was a kid. This character came to an awful end and, did not make me want to follow in his footsteps.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:06:32] Right. It's funny because, he was the first person on network TV who was displayed having being a heterosexual, but contracting HIV. And then ultimately on the show, he died of a, he died of AIDS and, and, and they really sort of put that character through the ringer. you know, I felt mainly because of, you know, to sort of give a morality tale about promiscuity and, you know, superficiality.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:07:02] You also had a, he also had a physician heal thyself moment. Huh? What, what Sam, what happened to him as well?
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:07:09] he went to work part time at an AIDS hospice, I think is, at the end of his, life. I think he,
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:07:15] the injury. Oh, right.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:07:17] Yes. So there was, he had a series of flings on one night stands and he got his come up and says unstable woman slashes faced with a razorblade I knew was left with a large scar on
Media: [00:07:27] the show.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:07:30] I mean, this is a very stereotypical good-looking hunky, you know, young dashing, plastic surgeon. Who is superficial and, you know, very sexual and sleeps with lots of people. I think that sort of is the very, common stereotype that we've seen in the media, probably
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:07:49] for sure. Yeah.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:07:51] Alright
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:07:53] good. Alright.
Next one.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:07:55] Alright, Chris is the character on house. He's often called Tobe. and he would, he joined house, in season four. So let's see a real quick clip on him and then we can comment.
Media: [00:08:12] I want it to look natural. I mean, much younger, but natural. Can you get rid of the crow's feet altogether or is it better to leave a trace of them? I don't look old enough to have them anyway. Do I? Absolutely. I do look over. No, I'm sorry. Hang on a second.
We need to come up. The better idea. So what causes problems in a stomach? Heart nerves? Oh my God. You know what it is?
Tom's wife
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:08:55] gave the green light for an open marriage.
Media: [00:08:58] He's wearing cologne, but not the stink of shame. You got a date. I am going out with Maya tonight with Rachel's blessing. Okay. Mazeltov, maybe the problem. Isn't a blood. Maybe it's the vessels carrying
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:09:15] the blood,
Media: [00:09:15] no sign of shifts, sites or homolysis. So you're actually going to sleep with another woman, then go home to your wife.
Thank God. Someone's keeping us focused on what's. Really. Tom was going to do all of that. Anyway. Pulmonary arterial hypertension being showed normal diameter, pulmonary artery. Here's the thought Tom's wife is now totally on the market. And hitting their digits.
She would love that. But duty calls.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:09:47] There's, there's several problems with this collaborative, this character. Number one is. A plastic surgeon looking at those labs. Come on. Now, the second issue is sitting in a conference discussing care. It's usually on the phone and it's quick. Boom, boom, boom. Done.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:10:09] Yeah, it's definitely making plastic shortages look far more intellectual than we actually are.
And yet again, another morality play where plastic surgeons are concerned. There already seems to be an emerging theme, plastic surgeons, sort of guys that get HIV by being promiscuous and then cheat on their wives with their permission. I don't like this. I don't like where this is going.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:10:28] This is a tough one.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:10:30] I don't like this.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:10:32] And dealing with superficial people as patients, as you saw that woman was like, Oh, I don't look too old, just a trace of crow's feet. And, that's so, the other trope that I, that, that, sequence showed was how, on all these medical shows, they carry on to conversations at the same time, they're talking about some crazy medical diagnosis, just schistosomes and, you know, whatever, you know, Peyton ductus.
And then they also like talking about personal life at the same time. And it's like, They do that in every medical show that I've ever seen.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:11:03] That's funny.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:11:06] Alright.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:11:07] Alright next.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:11:09] Alright. So this one is a, honorary, plastic surgeon. he is, I love Peter Samari has probably one of the greatest actors, out in show business.
This was from minority report, dr. Solomon Eddy doing, eye surgery on 'em. On Tom cruise. This was a 2002, action film by Steven Spielberg. based on a short story by Philip K Dick, most people have probably seen it. It's it's about, Tom cruise as chief of pre crime, John Anderton and then he goes to a black market doctor for a risky eye transplant.
let's let's go to the, do the clip and then comment.
Media: [00:11:49] Oh, hold on one second.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:11:52] Press play.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:11:53] Yes, those video. Can't be loaded.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:11:55] I just hold on one sec.
Media: [00:11:59] Hold on.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:12:00] Let's skip. And we'll go to the next for now.
Media: [00:12:04] That makes me sad.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:12:06] Okay. The next one is, One that I haven't seen. I
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:12:10] remember this movie.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:12:12] You do. Okay. Great movie. 1997, dark comedy film. It was, David Schwimmer is playing a fictional, inventor of the silicone breast implant.
Dr. Kevin Saunders in a movie called breast men. And basically they pioneered the usage of silicone breast implants. There's also actor I'm Chris Cooper, great actor. They gain immense financial success as cosmetic breast augmentation, surgeries rise in acceptance and frequency in American culture. And then they become different types of surgeons as they get older.
And apparently it very loosely tracks the history of, of, the real life founders of, Breast implants, I guess the real ones, Texas based plastic surgeons. Dr. Frank Jerome Guerrero and Thomas crown. Right? So this is actually the trailer from that movie. So let's watch this.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:13:14] it's just like a silicone implant. Doesn't it. Now.
Media: [00:13:19] My mom is like this sixties hippies who thinks that breast implants are some sort of plot to control women. I've always had this incredibly strong image of what kind of space I wanted to occupy. And this isn't it. I'm doing this for me. And I don't care what anybody for centuries mankind has been obsessed with breasts.
I want to have big tits, but in August of 1962, if the baby can build a better heart, we build a better breast and maybe we go get some coffee or something after a Texas position. And it's young, larger, I'm very disappointed tuned that you want to cut holes in me and stick bags of glue in my chest. It's all right.
I'm a doctor into a global phenomenon.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:14:08] You're going to be very rich from him.
Media: [00:14:10] If someone canceled, then I can schedule you. How much can I pay you to cancel someone to make a difference? No. I asked you to consider the overall betterment of the self esteem. Oh, the woman who will get it. And they do help us.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:14:28] Wound
Media: [00:14:28] up making history. Half of Hollywood is wearing my breasts. They grew Rick's
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:14:34] office. It's very similar to Dallas plastic surgery Institute
Media: [00:14:40] and their clientele just grew. She wants to be bigger.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:14:44] Well, I think she's
Media: [00:14:45] big enough. There was trouble in paradise and make them too big. I give the customer what they asked
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:14:52] for too
Media: [00:14:53] jackass. Oh. As a surgeon, I found it unethical. Insane patient was a potential date or toilet plunger breasts. He's the man.
Well, of course he would say that. And in the winter of 1989, the fascination with breasts took an unexpected turn today,
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:15:13] a moratorium
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:15:14] on the use of Maul, silicone
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:15:17] gel, breast implants,
Media: [00:15:20] 1.5
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:15:21] million, 6.5
Media: [00:15:23] million 25 million, including.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:15:26] Punitive damages
Media: [00:15:28] figure that you put them in. So you'd know best how to take them out.
HBO picture is presents David Schwimmer.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:15:36] There is
Media: [00:15:36] no proven correlation between the implants and the sick women and Chris Cooper. Why don't they ban the silicone penile implant? It's because half of Congress has him in a, sometimes funny,
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:15:51] sometimes
Media: [00:15:52] serious story where the only thing that hasn't been straight.
Here's the truth. When I saw my two new best friends, I was like, I've been reborn. I rock coming this October, HBO.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:16:08] This was a, this was a very entertaining movie, which I thoroughly enjoyed when I watched it the first time. And not, not that far off of reality. You Samira, did you see it?
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:16:19] I saw it and I hated this movie.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:16:22] I
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:16:22] hate it. I
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:16:24] thought it was, it was, it hits a little too close to home.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:16:27] I thought it took a very serious topic and a very controversial topic and made a complete farce out of it. I think David Schwimmer was just tired of being Ross. Yeah. And so had to be this sort of pig had plastic surgeon who put in gigantic implants and slept with the patients.
And then again, it may plastic surgeons just look like these greedy money, hungry misogynist, men who are. Putting implants in women's health be damned. and it's a series, you know, silicone breast implant, controversy has resurfaced recently, but it's a huge, controversial topic. So it was a highly entertaining movie.
I did not like it.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:17:07] I mean, just the trailer had a couple awesome lines. Like if DeBakey can build a better heart, we can build a better that's.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:17:14] Right.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:17:15] Well, I thought, I thought it was actually, You know, interesting that they made a movie out of this topic, you know, it's such a niche topic, but it, it really does impact a significant proportion of the population.
So I, I, I, I agree with you. It was, it was a bit of a farce, but at least it brought some awareness to the, to the topic back when the, when the movie came out. So it was entertaining. I liked
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:17:42] find it hard to get Ross out of my mind every time I see David's former. Right.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:17:46] Exactly.
Media: [00:17:48] Okay.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:17:49] All right. Right. So let's let's come back here.
I think I got the technical glitch fixed here for a dr. Ellie, Eddie, Solomon, Eddie, and only because the clip of the surgery is so great. It's an iconic sequence in the movie and in, in all movies, I think. So we should definitely check this one out.
Media: [00:18:11] I see
what do you think? And John, how can I do what I do now? Well, let's say that I did spend an awful lot of time in the prison library. Now that was a great way to avoid some of the more unpleasant aspects. All prison life Fineman was a real education, a real
eye opener.
the truth alive live in.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:18:42] There's nothing quite like. Well, let's say
Media: [00:18:44] taking a shower while this lodge fell on with an attitude, you can't even knock down with a hammer whispers in your ear on Nancy Young man six. Now that was a lot of fun. Thank you so very much, John, for putting that. Thank you so very much for giving me the opportunity to get to know myself so much better.
And now to return the favor
that's great.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:19:10] Well, we've missed the one line. So he was, you know, the background on this character is, is interesting. He was a plastic surgeon associate path who set his patients on fire and, and, only to save them right. The hero complex and John, John Anderton, Tom cruise, put him in jail for that.
That's why he was in jail.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:19:32] That's right. I forgot about
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:19:34] now, have you actually done it or was he going to do it because in the whole premise of this movie that they predicted crimes before they actually happened?
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:19:41] No, no. This was before pre pre crime. He is jail. And then he said you did that. And he says, I was a performance artist,
but my only comment is. If he was such a great plastic surgeon, how come he didn't take that mole off of his assistant? Oh, are you kidding? That's a,
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:20:00] I want an assistant with that beauty Mark. If I could find someone like that, I'd hire her in a second.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:20:06] Oh,
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:20:09] that's a good one. Good one. Yeah.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:20:11] All right. This was the only woman plastic surgeon that I could find, at least recently in the media.
unfortunately not a whole lot of 'em. Plastic surgery involved in her show, basically dr. Sidney Hanson left her glamorous job in Beverly Hills as a plastic surgeon. So she could return to her home hometown of Providence, Rhode Island, where she basically practiced family medicine.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:20:39] And it's very clear already the only woman so far on the list.
It was the only good character by the popular portrayal. Male. I'm feeling a lot of hatred out here, gentlemen, I'm just saying
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:20:52] it's true. She is the only noble one and she just left her specialty altogether in order to do that.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:20:57] Right. Don't hate the player. Hate the game. Yeah.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:21:03] And, all of our sequences are similarly, sensitive and, and appropriate.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:21:16] does not look like a physical part of plastic surgery
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:21:19] or family medicine. Yes.
Media: [00:21:24] It's over. It helped me
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:21:27] get out of my way. She back at Providence right now.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:21:29] Yeah, this is probably
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:21:30] okay.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:21:43] I'm going to wash your hands before she leaves the room.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:21:47] This reminds me of, if you've ever. If you've ever been on a plane and they say, is there a doctor, a board? And you're a plastic surgeon. Why does somebody have a ruptured breast implant?
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:21:56] I can't hear the sensitive music with your guys' commentary, please.
Media: [00:22:04] Speed.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:22:10] Michelle was an intern.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:22:31] Clearly, this was a, a one, one season.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:22:34] no, I went, it went six seasons dude. Very popular. Yes.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:22:40] Love
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:22:42] see sensitivity all the way around.
Media: [00:22:47] Superman.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:22:48] Alright, I think we got the juice.
Media: [00:22:54] I thought you guys
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:22:58] did that. I've
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:22:59] been to you guys in the, in the hospital all the time. When you guys are training.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:23:04] Only with each other only with each other.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:23:06] Right. the next one is, Antonio Bandara says, dr. Robert led guard. This is number five in the movie, a Spanish, psychological thriller from 2011, the skin I live in, it was written and directed by Pedro Almodovar.
And basically suave plastic surgeon, dr. Robert led guard, Antonio Banderas, has devoted himself to developing a synthetic skin that could have saved her life after his wife was hideously burned in a car accident. And, I have not seen this film. Let's show the trailer real quick, and then you can comment on it, just for the audio podcast.
This is like all music and no. Words. So you'll just hear some music for this trailer.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:24:52] So neither of you have seen this film. I
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:24:54] I'm very confused by that. Correct.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:24:56] Alright. So this is, so this is a, in a, a foreign film, obviously Elma Novar is a fantastic Spanish director. He's done quite a few other, films, which aren't
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:25:08] have a
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:25:08] horror or scientific. A science fiction type of bent to it.
This is a crazy psychological thriller. this is one of my favorite movies of all time. I'll tell you that. And, I'm, you know, I, it takes a lot to impress me. This had an unbelievable story. It had a roofless character, and an unbelievable twist at the end. So, that's all I'm going to say. And, watching.
Antonio Ben Doris for a couple hours. He's just has a presence on the screen. And it's just a, it's just a great film. You got to check it out
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:25:44] for sure. He looks at the range. So, Oh, another negative male plastic
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:25:48] surgeon.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:25:51] All. Alright, this is, an Adam Sandler pick. just go with it, 2011, A romcom funny one, with, Adam Sandler and a couple others. You'll probably recognize them in this clip real quick.
Media: [00:26:09] Four o'clock here. Yeah. Room one, Kristen. Brandt don't laugh.
No, no doctor was a quack. His office was in like a warehouse.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:26:24] I had about three patients this week. That looked just like that.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:26:28] Hopefully not your PokeStops. No,
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:26:31] they were, there were your posting
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:26:35] for that.
Media: [00:26:39] What are you going to do? VOC?
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:26:43] Just a little Botox on the opposite side.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:26:45] That's right. Both talks about rights laid down
Media: [00:26:49] around here. Relax. Relax.
Hmm. Let me just pull it down for a sec. I go,
I'm sorry. Oh, sorry
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:27:06] about what.
Media: [00:27:07] Oh, my God,
that was high. I was high. You gotta watch it. It's going to just get caught in your hair. I don't know. Maybe I should just keep it like this. This seems to make other people happy. Oh no. Seriously. Are you available
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:27:24] for my kid's birthday party?
Media: [00:27:27] Do much. Let me give you a hug. That's what you need first.
Alright, we'll fix it. We'll fix it. Oh, God. Okay. I got it. I'm gonna excuse myself. I'm sorry.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:27:39] Yeah,
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:27:40] love Rachel. Dresch just a, I don't know how to keep a straight face during those scenes
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:27:45] where where's the rest of the friends cast throughout this, this top 10 list.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:27:49] I know I'm not surprised we already hit two of them. Right.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:27:52] Well, we
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:27:53] got three more to go. We'll see.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:27:54] Right?
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:27:55] Okay. They have a couple other funny sequences about plastic surgery and they're Kevin Nealon as a plastic surgery patient, you know, just classic LA rip on, you know, overly done people sort of things.
Alright. one of the classic stock Hollywood with Michael J. Fox as dr. Ben stone, he is driving to Beverly Hills. For a job interview, he passes through Grady, South Carolina crashes. His car gets stuck there and then ends up, deciding to stay. But, before he, does that, he goes to LA and he, works briefly with esteemed plastic surgeon.
Dr. Halvor strum played by George. what's his name again? George crap. I forgot his name. Let's see George Hamilton classic.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:28:45] Oh yeah.
Media: [00:28:45] Yeah.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:28:46] Alright. That's stone. In any case
Media: [00:28:50] hope said you were a quote one elatious they fine. I would be a bovine Claude painted city. Five more on if I didn't hire you on the spot, wrote it down.
So I wouldn't forget. So I guess you're in stone. Congrats. What time do I tee off that you do play golf. Don't you. Don't worry about that. It's not anywhere you can see it. So this business side has got a good pace
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:29:19] for yourself.
Media: [00:29:20] Nobody likes to admit it. Medicine's a volume business. 99% of what we do is
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:29:25] put on a plate surgery, but it means
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:29:27] we can afford the 1% that's meaningful.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:29:30] Pigments. That was a sweet wash of the
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:29:32] hands, right?
Media: [00:29:35] Cleft palates, you live for those moments or is the bigger you get the bigger than that. We're a service industry
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:29:41] comes with the
Media: [00:29:41] territory, fixed cost specialization, people adjust to, to fail cable TV. You're going to see some changes. Stone.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:29:49] I've heard that every operating room in LA Jolla has a picture of dr.
Patella
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:29:56] painted. Painting.
Media: [00:29:58] Yeah.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:30:02] Well, you know, the interesting thing is, it's funny because all of these characters, particularly the Providence character and this character that, you know, the moral, this is fantastic storytelling because the moral dilemma of gosh, my life is so unfulfilling. What can I do to, to, to get back to humanity?
And it completely goes, Oh, one 82, you know? Doing something else, but
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:30:29] know I'm sure it was Bobby Caldwell too. Bobby Caldwell once ago, working with AIDS patients gave up plastic surgery as well.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:30:37] Well, let's not forget the entire discipline of reconstructive surgery, you know? Right. Aren't you helping people, their breast cancer, skin cancer, deformities, trauma, you know, it just makes for worsening storytelling.
Right?
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:30:50] Well, that's what George Hamilton touches on club pallets. We live for these murders,
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:30:54] right? While he's doing liposuction.
Liposuction.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:31:04] Yeah. The theme is you can only be redeemed by turning away from aesthetic surgery and, you know, being involved with people in a meaningful fashion. Okay.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:31:13] A lesson for you, dr. .
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:31:16] I will tell you that, although we do get the occasional unreasonable patient, most patients are not these crazy people.
So that is still, it's, kind of shocking seeing how we grew up watching all of this, and we all became plastic surgeons. You would think everyone would run away from it. If it does we're actually any re any, any resemblance to the truth.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:31:37] I think we all know some people who want to live this type of life.
Let's face it. I mean, there the doc, some of the doctor nine Oh two one Oh, those were basically real life depictions of people trying to recreate this sort of living. but just like, there are in all life or all specialties or occupations, there is a, there's a few people that are not great and you can make fun of them.
but I agree most of us are, are not like this in any way, shape or form.
Media: [00:32:04] Hopefully.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:32:08] All right. And one of the top plastic surgeon depictions, this was hard, actually. It was hard to pick number two, a number one, Eric Dane playing dr. Mark Sloan in, or dr. Mick steamy in Grey's anatomy. He was introduced in season two. he moves to Seattle in season three and, he becomes quite the sexual powerhouse, of Grey's anatomy.
Let's watch this little montage of him.
Media: [00:32:35] What kind of doctor are you? You're young interns. Don't touch the face, the plastic surgeon and touches the face. Do you want me to page Sloan right now? When it come? Oh yeah, you're right there.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:32:50] Hey, Torres.
Media: [00:32:51] Hey.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:32:54] Why is he turning his own face?
Media: [00:32:56] Turn me on. He makes scratching sexy.
He makes everything look sexy. Let's not pretend to be a beautiful burden. Do you hire on looks alone or his actual skill of factor? Why do you think I'm here? I came to Seattle to get you back in a cheek. The man is one of the finest plastic surgeons in this country.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:33:14] The morality
Media: [00:33:15] you're using the memory of my dead mother.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:33:17] Thank you. If you get
Media: [00:33:18] late, I might make you cheat. Oh, I could be cheap. Why wouldn't I, because you never prepare for anything
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:33:25] right now.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:33:27] He said he had a right now plan for I,
Media: [00:33:29] is that right? No one stays in for more than 20 seconds. Dr. Sloan, do you want to go first? I'm not going in there and we really want our interns learning from somebody like
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:33:37] that.
I have not
Media: [00:33:39] big needs using his answer. Pick up his dry cleaning. Is it bring a hot blonde to work day? No one told me actual harassment wouldn't have to sleep with nurses. If you put out this man is a whole God intended for us,
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:33:53] it was responsible for it. Choosing all these clips, dr. Oh, it's dirty.
Media: [00:33:58] Mark is like kidney and forget about it.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:34:01] I need you to have sex with
Media: [00:34:02] Christina Yang morning sex. What's going on in Seattle today,
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:34:08] one of our surgeons had
Media: [00:34:09] screwed so many nurses and now everyone has to document their sexual history. Talk to my friend, step away from little gray, boring. Someone's up here in time. Fuck that. Let us. Okay,
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:34:28] well, speechless, absolutely speechless,
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:34:31] realistic depiction.
Absolutely. I lived every moment of this. I went in when I was a resident.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:34:36] Well, although I will say if I think I watched Grey's anatomy, maybe for one season back in the day. All the personality stuff aside. this was one of the more realists with the exception of the storyline. He was, he actually had a realistic, a job.
Yeah. As a reconstructive plastic surgeon, they, they did portray him as doing some, you know, soft tissue, rearrangements of trauma coverage, some, you know, legitimate reconstructive plastic surgery. So I do applaud the. The writers for, for that, you know, he, he actually served a value to the generalized hospital system.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:35:18] So, that's an interesting statement. So you're, are you saying that only reconstructive surgery has value? Cause that's
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:35:23] the kind of the second? No, no. I mean,
just look at how they pictured the entire world of aesthetic surgery in the last eight pigs. Right?
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:35:35] So
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:35:36] realism, the realism. What I meant is the realism of a plastic surgeon in a hospital setting. You know, as opposed to a private clinic or private pay
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:35:46] page on it. Yeah. Well, the one overriding theme for the first, those show Providence aside is that plastic surgeons, that performance static surgery are immoral in nature.
That seems to be the theme. And the truth is most of our patients are just regular people who want to fix the ravages of pregnancy or breastfeeding or weight loss, or, you know, aging. They're not. Patients are less crazy than depicted and the plastic surgeon, I mean, my life is boring. So this is interesting to see this eviction.
Media: [00:36:15] Absolutely.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:36:19] And number one is, the iconic TV show nip tuck, dr. Sean McNamara played by Dylan Walsh. This was broadcast from 2003 to 2010. the personal and professional lives of founder, Sean McNamara and Christian Troy. this, your secret, this clip is, is pretty graphic at the end of it, but I wanted to show it because I thought it had some amazing realistic depictions or the most realistic deficient depictions of plastic surgery that I've seen on TV.
And it's an entertaining clip about patient interaction.
Media: [00:36:53] Ms. Dante, tell me what you don't like about yourself. Well, it's not that I don't like myself. It's just that I don't want to look like her anymore. Yeah. And I don't want to look like her either. See, we've made this agreement. I want to change my faith and I want to change my body.
We were thinking it would be so great. If one of us could wear a miniskirt and not feel self conscious about our chicken legs. So I'd like bigger calves and I'd also like to go up to the secret. Oh. And I was thinking that maybe I could have her ears see, cause they don't stick out like our associate and I like her nose.
That is Jennifer Garner. She kicks ass. So kicks ass. I told her that picture out of teen Vogue magazine. So you guys could copy it. Ms. Dante, ms. Dante, I'd like you to come back later in the week and meet dr.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:37:49] Pendleton, our onsite psychologist.
Media: [00:37:52] Interestingly enough, Sean, Mandy and Randy have already given me the contact information of their own psychologist.
Yeah. And she's completely cool with the fact that we're sick and tired of going through our lives, being mistaken for each other. Even our father can't even tell us apart, Mandy and Randy were going to the university of Miami in the fall and they believe that now is the perfect time for them to establish their own singular identities.
Not to play devil's advocate, but have you tried less drastic measures? For instance, maybe styling your hair differently? It didn't work. I mean, people still confuse me with Randy. We even went as far as to get tattoos and they were pretty much worthless. Why were they worthless? Well, we realized people could only use them.
Tell us part of where you're naked.
I'll do facial. You do bodywork
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:39:06] since it's completely sterile to have
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:39:08] two different patients in the operating room.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:39:10] They're identical twins. Makes sense.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:39:28] That's great stuff. Great stuff. Nick nip talk was a legendary series. I was, I was already a resident in plastic surgery when it came out and I just, it was just so entertaining from, you know, it just made the doldrums of residency much more interesting. So
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:39:46] I do like the lightness and dark between the two plastic surgeons, you know, one's the morale, the moral compass and ones.
What? Just do anything. So, yeah. Interesting choice for number one, dr. Ray.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:39:55] Oh, yes. And let's actually we have as a person. Oh, number one
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:40:05] had to be him. That's right.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:40:07] Dr. Christian, Troy is obviously the number one craziest fake plastic surgeon we've ever seen. I think in media, this man, Was so over the top, in terms of everything that he did, he had no morals, he, would do anything and everything.
In fact, I didn't even show it in this sequence, but of course what happens after this surgery, he ends up sleeping with both of those twins. So, so there's absolutely a, he is probably the most it's over the top character that we've ever seen a plastic surgeon play on TV and it was. Fantastic one last clip, which,
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:40:44] which
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:40:45] as soon as I saw it, I thought of both of you guys right away.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:40:47] So clearly yeah.
Media: [00:40:52] Dr. Troy, what about you?
Well, I've never seen an sat score performance. Perfect. Further left, frankly. I didn't go to my own graduation. I was too busy spring. My population placed all over the U of M. Cheerleading squad some resume
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:41:11] your parents'
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:41:12] permission,
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:41:13] Mike from Miami.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:41:15] Oh, university of
Media: [00:41:16] Miami. You want to see my resume stretch?
Yes,
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:41:43] a clear, realistic, episode here.
Media: [00:41:50] It takes two things to make a great surgeon steady hands
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:41:57] in a monster. One of
Media: [00:41:58] these.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:41:59] I mean, I didn't walk the grade of the
Media: [00:42:00] confidence. The grade, the confidence I've got to the surgeon is dinner as a pissing contest and you ladies have all the power and all the money, and you've invited us here tonight to entertain you
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:42:11] are these other plastic surgeons around the table coming
Media: [00:42:13] straight to the chase.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:42:17] Unbelievable. I love the music in the background. Little dr. Dre,
Media: [00:42:26] he can Trump, my ISA clubs.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:42:42] Out of control completely out of control, but awesome television right there. Yeah.
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:42:47] Two things to make a great surgeon,
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:42:51] a sharp, a sharp 10 blade, and a good pair of loops.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:42:58] While dr. Ray, I am thoroughly entertained by those clips and I'm going to have to go home and reevaluate my life.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:43:05] We've clearly chosen the wrong. A
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:43:08] wrong job, right,
Dr. Sam Rhee: [00:43:11] man. It was very enjoyable to run through these 10 with you. and, it's, it's just great. Look, you know, like you said, these probably influenced us more than we ever thought they did.
I remember watching all of this stuff and yeah, I don't know how it ended up being such mundane, boring people compared to these people. I mean, these were our inspirations.
Dr. Sam Jejurikar: [00:43:30] Well, enjoy the rest of your day, gentlemen. It was truly a pleasure.
Dr. Salvatore Pacella: [00:43:33] Thanks guys. Alright.